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Skybuck Flying  
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 More options Jul 3, 4:33 pm
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From: "Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:33:05 +0200
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 4:33 pm
Subject: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.
Could be interesting idea... to connect the computer to the outside air via
hose/tunnels.

Except maybe in summer ;)

But in winter it would supply the pc with cold outside air instead of room
temperature ;)

Bye,
  Skybuck.

--
"Milord, methinks that thou art a lowly quitter. Is this true?"


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SteveH  
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From: "SteveH" <steve.houghREMOVET...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:39:58 GMT
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Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.

Skybuck Flying wrote:
> Could be interesting idea... to connect the computer to the outside
> air via hose/tunnels.

> Except maybe in summer ;)

> But in winter it would supply the pc with cold outside air instead of
> room temperature ;)

> Bye,
>  Skybuck.

Or you could just get in the bath/shower with your 'dream' PC - PLEASE!
--
SteveH

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Dave  
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From: "Dave" <no...@nohow.not>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:41:16 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.

"Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:dc3f4$486d3713$541983fa$6292@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...

> Could be interesting idea... to connect the computer to the outside air
> via hose/tunnels.

> Except maybe in summer ;)

> But in winter it would supply the pc with cold outside air instead of room
> temperature ;)

bad idea

one word:  condensation  -Dave


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Joel Koltner  
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From: "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:09:50 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.
"Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:dc3f4$486d3713$541983fa$6292@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...

> Could be interesting idea... to connect the computer to the outside air via
> hose/tunnels.

I once worked at a place where a power supply for a video camera on a
microscope was designed inefficienctly enough that it needed air pumped in
like this: Sticking fans on it degraded the images severely due to vibrations
coupled to all the optics and their housing.

I eventually found the time to design my own switching power supply and get
rid of the air pump.  This was for a $600,000 piece of capital equipment for
the semiconductor industry, and I was amazed that no one has previously called
us on such a poor design.  ("You guys can't even design a 35W power supply
properly, why should we believe that your optics or image processing or motion
control actually works?")


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Discussion subject changed to "Bizarre decisions [was Re: Cool electronics ...]" by Nick Maclaren
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 More options Jul 3, 5:41 pm
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From: n...@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)
Date: 3 Jul 2008 21:41:27 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:41 pm
Subject: Bizarre decisions [was Re: Cool electronics ...]

In article <Cebbk.87597$dq6.59...@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com>,

"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> writes:

|>
|> I once worked at a place where a power supply for a video camera on a
|> microscope was designed inefficienctly enough that it needed air pumped in
|> like this: Sticking fans on it degraded the images severely due to vibrations
|> coupled to all the optics and their housing.
|>
|> I eventually found the time to design my own switching power supply and get
|> rid of the air pump.  This was for a $600,000 piece of capital equipment for
|> the semiconductor industry, and I was amazed that no one has previously called
|> us on such a poor design.  ("You guys can't even design a 35W power supply
|> properly, why should we believe that your optics or image processing or motion
|> control actually works?")

Yeah.  I was in the position of managing various multi-million dollar
supercomputers, and made very rude remarks about the quality of their
real-time clocks.  They were anything from 5 to 50 times worse than
my 10 dollar wristwatch.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


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Discussion subject changed to "Cool electronics with outside air via hose." by John Larkin
John Larkin  
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 More options Jul 3, 5:42 pm
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From: John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:42:11 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:33:05 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"

<BloodySh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Could be interesting idea... to connect the computer to the outside air via
>hose/tunnels.

>Except maybe in summer ;)

>But in winter it would supply the pc with cold outside air instead of room
>temperature ;)

>Bye,
>  Skybuck.

Quick, patent the idea of opening a window to cool off a computer.

John


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 More options Jul 3, 5:45 pm
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From: Neal <nealcr...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:45:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:45 pm
Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.
On Jul 3, 1:33 pm, "Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Could be interesting idea... to connect the computer to the outside air via
> hose/tunnels.

> Except maybe in summer ;)

> But in winter it would supply the pc with cold outside air instead of room
> temperature ;)

> Bye,
>   Skybuck.

> --
> "Milord, methinks that thou art a lowly quitter. Is this true?"

I agree about condensation... this idea seems quite impractical as
better solutions exist. Though thinking about obscure ways to cool
chips does remind me of this paper... which I actually thought was
interesting.

http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/users/swanson/WACI-VI/docs/15_abstract.pdf

Which was co-authored by Anant Agarwal in ASPLOS Wild and crazy ideas
from this past year.

Neal


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James Waldby  
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 More options Jul 3, 7:15 pm
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From: James Waldby <n...@no.no>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:15:28 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:42:11 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:33:05 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"... wrote:

>>Could be interesting idea... to connect the computer to the outside air
>>via hose/tunnels.

>>Except maybe in summer ;)

>>But in winter it would supply the pc with cold outside air instead of
>>room temperature ;)
...
> Quick, patent the idea of opening a window to cool off a computer.

There's a 1992 patent on bringing cold outside air into a walk-in
cooler:  http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5144816.html
It has links to related 1970's and 80's patents.  Personally,
I doubt that this has ever actually been a new and patentable
idea.

Here's a couple of FreeAire links:
http://www.freeaire.com/Savings2outsideair.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/09/fridge-uses-cold-out.html

-jiw


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Skybuck Flying  
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 More options Jul 3, 7:19 pm
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From: "Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:19:41 +0200
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.
Actually I do that now,

I open the window so room temperature drops.

The room temperature was 24.5 degrees at which point my pc starts making a
little bit more noise.

I open door for a few minutes and room temperature drops back to 23.5 to 23
degrees or so and then pc a bit more quiet...

This is what gave me the idea: why not guide cold air from outside to
peecee...

Then I don't have to sit in the cold wind going through my appartment ;)

Because I set both sides of appertment open to get quick air displacements
;)

Somebody mentions condensation which might be a fair problem... but then
again...

Maybe condensation would be at the hose... maybe it can be catched before it
enters pc ;)

Bye,
  Skybuck.


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From: Marty <martywoy...@communitymail.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:15:47 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.

Yes, condensation would be a big problem *UNLESS* it is catered for.
Sykfuck's tube should be routed through a condensor stage which collects
the water into a container with a small faucet. The computer user when
thirsty no longer has to walk to the kitchen get some water, he only has
to turn the faucet on his condensation tank.  

Consumer resistence to this system could easily be overcome by judicious
use of blinking blue LEDs and a built in ringtone dispenser.


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Skybuck Flying  
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From: "Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:20:21 +0200
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: Cool electronics with outside air via hose.

>> Could be interesting idea... to connect the computer to the outside air
>> via hose/tunnels.

>> Except maybe in summer ;)

>> But in winter it would supply the pc with cold outside air instead of
>> room temperature ;)

> bad idea

> one word:  condensation  -Dave

Good point.

Condensation would need to be catched... before the cool air can proceed
further :)

Problem solved ;) :)

Bye,
  Skybuck.


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